Kirjoittaja Aihe: Voiko Kubuntu 20.04 jättää ilmeisesti versioon 37 eikä 38? (RATKAISTU)  (Luettu 4247 kertaa)

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Komento "sudo update grub" ei valitettavasti muuttanut grubin valikkoa,

Tarkkana nyt! Komento on:

Koodia: [Valitse]
sudo update-grub
Huomaa yhdysmerkki! ”sudo update grub” tuottaa tulokseksi todennäköisesti vain virheilmoituksen.

Nvidia on vähän hankala. Jos avoin nouveau-ajuri toimii, pääsee vähemmällä, mutta usein se on pakko vaihtuu suljetuksi ajuriksi, ja silloin moni asia mutkistuu.
pöytäkone 1, kannettavat 1–3: Debian GNU/Linux 12; pöytäkone 2: openSUSE Tumbleweed; NUC: openSUSE Leap 15.5; RPi 1: FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE; RPi 2: LibreELEC 11

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Löysin lshw komennolla Nvidian ja kopioin pitkästä listauksesta nvidia-osuuden.
Koodia: [Valitse]
  *-display UNCLAIMED
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: GP104BM [GeForce GTX 1070 Mobile]
                vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                version: a1
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller cap_list
                configuration: latency=0
                resources: memory:ab000000-abffffff memory:80000000-8fffffff memory:90000000-91ffffff ioport:4000(size=128) memory:c0000-dffff
           *-multimedia
                description: Audio device
                product: GP104 High Definition Audio Controller
                vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
                physical id: 0.1
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.1
                version: a1
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
                resources: irq:17 memory:ac080000-ac083fff
[code]

Jos on tarpeellista kopioin sen kokonaan. Jos saan ulkoisen monitorin toimimaan, niin pärjään hyvin toistaiseksi, vaikka käynnistyksen grub on hieman kummallinen. Käsittääkseni kuitenkin kaikki muu toimii. Nvidia settings-ohjelma kyllä aukeaa valikon kautta, mutta se avaa vain tyhjän ohjelmaikkunan.
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Löysin lshw komennolla Nvidian ja kopioin pitkästä listauksesta nvidia-osuuden.
Koodia: [Valitse]
  *-display UNCLAIMED
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: GP104BM [GeForce GTX 1070 Mobile]
                vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                version: a1
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller cap_list
                configuration: latency=0
                resources: memory:ab000000-abffffff memory:80000000-8fffffff memory:90000000-91ffffff ioport:4000(size=128) memory:c0000-dffff

Joo, nyt ei näytä olevaan mitään ajuria käytössä Nvidian näytönohjaimelle. Prosessorin integroitu näytönohjain ei varmaankaan ole kytköksissä HDMI-ulostuloon ja ulkoiseen näyttöön, joten siksi näyttö on nyt kokonaan pois pelistä. Nvidian ajurin puuttuminen johtunee palautustilasta tai mahdollisesti jostain suljetun ajurin asennusongelmasta.

Grub Customizer on siitä hankala, että kyseisen ohjelman tekemiä muutoksia on vaikea perua Ubuntun oletusasetuksiin. En itse tunne Grub Customizeria niin hyvin, että osaisin ehdottaa korjauksia sen asetuksiin.

Pystytkö käynnistämään järjestelmän jollain muulla kernelin versiolla muuhun kuin palautustilaan, vai onko kaikissa versioissa sama ongelma?
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Joo, nyt ei näytä olevaan mitään ajuria käytössä Nvidian näytönohjaimelle. Prosessorin integroitu näytönohjain ei varmaankaan ole kytköksissä HDMI-ulostuloon ja ulkoiseen näyttöön, joten siksi näyttö on nyt kokonaan pois pelistä. Nvidian ajurin puuttuminen johtunee palautustilasta tai mahdollisesti jostain suljetun ajurin asennusongelmasta.

Pääsenpä taas kerran halkomaan hiuksia: miksi näitä Nvidian näytönohjaimia käytetään, kun ne kerran eivät koskaan suostu toimimaan kunnolla ja aiheuttavat jatkuvasti mitä ihmeellisimpiä ongelmia Linuxin kanssa? Heittäkää mäkeen tuollaiset toimimattomat näytönohjaimet ja vaatikaa valmistajalta rahat takaisin! Me emme enää kaipaa moista Nvidia -kuraa Linux -tietokoneisiimme.

Nimim. Täällä ei pelata.
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Joo, nyt ei näytä olevaan mitään ajuria käytössä Nvidian näytönohjaimelle. Prosessorin integroitu näytönohjain ei varmaankaan ole kytköksissä HDMI-ulostuloon ja ulkoiseen näyttöön, joten siksi näyttö on nyt kokonaan pois pelistä. Nvidian ajurin puuttuminen johtunee palautustilasta tai mahdollisesti jostain suljetun ajurin asennusongelmasta.

Pääsenpä taas kerran halkomaan hiuksia: miksi näitä Nvidian näytönohjaimia käytetään, kun ne kerran eivät koskaan suostu toimimaan kunnolla ja aiheuttavat jatkuvasti mitä ihmeellisimpiä ongelmia Linuxin kanssa? Heittäkää mäkeen tuollaiset toimimattomat näytönohjaimet ja vaatikaa valmistajalta rahat takaisin! Me emme enää kaipaa moista Nvidia -kuraa Linux -tietokoneisiimme.

Nimim. Täällä ei pelata.

Annapa vihje mikä näytöohjain olisi parempi, koneena HP Zbook.

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Pääsenpä taas kerran halkomaan hiuksia: miksi näitä Nvidian näytönohjaimia käytetään, kun ne kerran eivät koskaan suostu toimimaan kunnolla ja aiheuttavat jatkuvasti mitä ihmeellisimpiä ongelmia Linuxin kanssa? Heittäkää mäkeen tuollaiset toimimattomat näytönohjaimet ja vaatikaa valmistajalta rahat takaisin! Me emme enää kaipaa moista Nvidia -kuraa Linux -tietokoneisiimme.

Pontus12:n ensisijaisena ongelmana on nyt se, että järjestelmä käynnistyy vain palautustilassa, joka puolestaan tarkoittaa, että kernelin komentorivillä on nomodeset-parametri ja KMS (kernel mode setting) on pois käytöstä. Silloin näytönohjain toimii vain perustason VESA-tilassa riippumatta merkistä ja mallista. X.org:n ja Waylandin nykyiset näytönohjainkohtaiset ajurit toimivat vain KMS:n kanssa.

Itselläni ei ole ollut ainakaan kymmeneen vuoteen ongelmia Nvidian Linux-ajurin kanssa.

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Minä poistin editoidessani grubia graafisella ohjelmalla kernel-versio -38:n ja ilmeisesti poistin myös -36: version. Päivitin grubin ja nyt kone käynnistyy normaalisti, mutta versioon -37 eikä löydä toista monitoria. Windows löytää, joten vika ei ole johdoissakaan.
Tämä on doubleboot kone ja ongelmat ovat ilmenneet siis vain tässä. Toisessa koneessa (Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro läppäri) Kubuntu 20.04 toimii erinomaisesti. Minun ei tarvitse edes sammuttaa sitä, vaan suljen vain kannen ja avaan taas, kun tarvitsen  sitä. Tässä koneessa, HP Omen, en voi käyttää enää valmiustilaa, sillä kone jumittuu silloin eikä käynnisty ja sammuu vain virtanappulalla. Siksi minulla on nyt asetus "Sammuta näyttö", kun suljen kannen.
Yksi mahdollinen ratkaisu voisi olla päivittää se seuraavan versioon 20.10. Silti minusta tuntuu turvallisemmalta pysyä lts-versiossa.
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Minä poistin editoidessani grubia graafisella ohjelmalla kernel-versio -38:n ja ilmeisesti poistin myös -36: version. Päivitin grubin ja nyt kone käynnistyy normaalisti, mutta versioon -37 eikä löydä toista monitoria. Windows löytää, joten vika ei ole johdoissakaan.

Monitoriongelma johtuu näytönohjaimen ajurista. Jos nyt sait tavallisen käynnistyksen toimimaan, eikä palautustila ole enää käytössä, katso uudestaan miltä ajurin tilanne näyttää:

Koodia: [Valitse]
lshw -c display
Entä mikä Nvidian ajurin versio on asennettuna:

Koodia: [Valitse]
dpkg -l | grep nvidia

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Ehdottamas komennot antoivat seuraavan tulolksen:
Koodia: [Valitse]
sudo lshw -c display
[sudo] password for jotaarkka:
  *-display UNCLAIMED       
       description: VGA compatible controller
       product: GP104BM [GeForce GTX 1070 Mobile]
       vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
       version: a1
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller cap_list
       configuration: latency=0
       resources: memory:ab000000-abffffff memory:80000000-8fffffff memory:90000000-91ffffff ioport:4000(size=128) memory:c0000-dffff
jotaarkka@Thalia2-by-HP-Laptop:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia
ii  libnvidia-cfg1-470:amd64                      470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA binary OpenGL/GLX configuration library
ii  libnvidia-common-470                          470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     all          Shared files used by the NVIDIA libraries
ii  libnvidia-compute-470:amd64                   470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA libcompute package
ii  libnvidia-compute-470:i386                    470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     i386         NVIDIA libcompute package
ii  libnvidia-decode-470:amd64                    470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA Video Decoding runtime libraries
ii  libnvidia-decode-470:i386                     470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     i386         NVIDIA Video Decoding runtime libraries
ii  libnvidia-encode-470:amd64                    470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVENC Video Encoding runtime library
ii  libnvidia-encode-470:i386                     470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     i386         NVENC Video Encoding runtime library
ii  libnvidia-extra-470:amd64                     470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        Extra libraries for the NVIDIA driver
ii  libnvidia-fbc1-470:amd64                      470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA OpenGL-based Framebuffer Capture runtime library
ii  libnvidia-fbc1-470:i386                       470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     i386         NVIDIA OpenGL-based Framebuffer Capture runtime library
ii  libnvidia-gl-470:amd64                        470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA OpenGL/GLX/EGL/GLES GLVND libraries and Vulkan ICD
ii  libnvidia-gl-470:i386                         470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     i386         NVIDIA OpenGL/GLX/EGL/GLES GLVND libraries and Vulkan ICD
ii  libnvidia-ifr1-470:amd64                      470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA OpenGL-based Inband Frame Readback runtime library
ii  libnvidia-ifr1-470:i386                       470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     i386         NVIDIA OpenGL-based Inband Frame Readback runtime library
rc  linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.11.0-27-generic    5.11.0-27.29~20.04.1                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-27
rc  linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.11.0-36-generic    5.11.0-36.40~20.04.1                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-36
rc  linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.11.0-37-generic    5.11.0-37.41~20.04.2                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-37
ii  linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.11.0-38-generic    5.11.0-38.42~20.04.1                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-38
ii  linux-modules-nvidia-470-generic-hwe-20.04    5.11.0-38.42~20.04.1                        amd64        Extra drivers for nvidia-470 for the generic-hwe-20.04 flavour
rc  linux-objects-nvidia-470-5.11.0-27-generic    5.11.0-27.29~20.04.1                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-27 (objects)
rc  linux-objects-nvidia-470-5.11.0-36-generic    5.11.0-36.40~20.04.1                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-36 (objects)
ii  linux-objects-nvidia-470-5.11.0-37-generic    5.11.0-37.41~20.04.2                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-37 (objects)
ii  linux-objects-nvidia-470-5.11.0-38-generic    5.11.0-38.42~20.04.1                        amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-38 (objects)
ii  linux-signatures-nvidia-5.11.0-37-generic     5.11.0-37.41~20.04.2                        amd64        Linux kernel signatures for nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-37-generic
ii  linux-signatures-nvidia-5.11.0-38-generic     5.11.0-38.42~20.04.1                        amd64        Linux kernel signatures for nvidia modules for version 5.11.0-38-generic
ii  nvidia-compute-utils-470                      470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA compute utilities
ii  nvidia-driver-470                             470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA driver metapackage
ii  nvidia-kernel-common-470                      470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        Shared files used with the kernel module
ii  nvidia-kernel-source-470                      470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA kernel source package
ii  nvidia-prime                                  0.8.16~0.20.04.1                            all          Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime
ii  nvidia-settings                               470.57.01-0ubuntu0.20.04.2                  amd64        Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
ii  nvidia-utils-470                              470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA driver support binaries
ii  screen-resolution-extra                       0.18build1                                  all          Extension for the nvidia-settings control panel
ii  xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-470                 470.74-0ubuntu0.20.04.1                     amd64        NVIDIA binary Xorg driver

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Nvidian ajurin versio 470 näyttää olevan asennettuna kerneleille 5.11.0-37 ja 5.11.0-38, mutta jokin ongelma estää ajurin lataamisen. Mitähän kernelin ja X.org:n lokit kertovat:

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dmesg | grep nvidia
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cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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Toivottavasti tämä selvittää tilannetta.
Koodia: [Valitse]
$ sudo dmesg | grep nvidia
[sudo] password for jotaarkka:
[    5.965931] audit: type=1400 audit(1635495799.503:5): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_load" profile="unconfined" name="nvidia_modprobe" pid=626 comm="apparmor_parser"
[    5.965934] audit: type=1400 audit(1635495799.503:6): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_load" profile="unconfined" name="nvidia_modprobe//kmod" pid=626 comm="apparmor_parser"
jotaarkka@Thalia2-by-HP-Laptop:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[    64.905] (--) Log file renamed from "/var/log/Xorg.pid-4346.log" to "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[    64.906]
X.Org X Server 1.20.11
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[    64.906] Build Operating System: linux Ubuntu
[    64.906] Current Operating System: Linux Thalia2-by-HP-Laptop 5.11.0-37-generic #41~20.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 24 09:06:38 UTC 2021 x86_64
[    64.906] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.11.0-37-generic root=UUID=8d0e678f-6b28-4ff7-acd8-ce4a6a600f2c ro recovery nomodeset dis_ucode_ldr
[    64.906] Build Date: 06 July 2021  10:17:51AM
[    64.906] xorg-server 2:1.20.11-1ubuntu1~20.04.2 (For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support)
[    64.906] Current version of pixman: 0.38.4
[    64.906]    Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
        to make sure that you have the latest version.
[    64.906] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
        (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[    64.906] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Oct 29 11:24:18 2021
[    64.906] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[    64.907] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
[    64.907] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[    64.907] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
[    64.907] (**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
[    64.907] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
        Using a default monitor configuration.
[    64.907] (==) Automatically adding devices
[    64.907] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[    64.907] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices
[    64.907] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices
[    64.907] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff
[    64.908] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[    64.908]    Entry deleted from font path.
[    64.908] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/" does not exist.
[    64.908]    Entry deleted from font path.
[    64.908] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/" does not exist.
[    64.908]    Entry deleted from font path.
[    64.908] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi" does not exist.
[    64.908]    Entry deleted from font path.
[    64.908] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi" does not exist.
[    64.908]    Entry deleted from font path.
[    64.908] (==) FontPath set to:
        /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
        /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
        built-ins
[    64.908] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[    64.908] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
        If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
[    64.908] (II) Loader magic: 0x560df2d8c020
[    64.908] (II) Module ABI versions:
[    64.908]    X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[    64.908]    X.Org Video Driver: 24.1
[    64.908]    X.Org XInput driver : 24.1
[    64.908]    X.Org Server Extension : 10.0
[    64.909] (++) using VT number 1

[    64.909] (II) systemd-logind: logind integration requires -keeptty and -keeptty was not provided, disabling logind integration
[    64.910] (--) PCI:*(1@0:0:0) 10de:1be1:103c:846a rev 161, Mem @ 0xab000000/16777216, 0x80000000/268435456, 0x90000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x00004000/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
[    64.910] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[    64.911] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[    64.914] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    64.914]    compiled for 1.20.11, module version = 1.0.0
[    64.914]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0
[    65.030] (==) Matched nouveau as autoconfigured driver 0
[    65.030] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 1
[    65.030] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 2
[    65.030] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 3
[    65.030] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout
[    65.030] (II) LoadModule: "nouveau"
[    65.031] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[    65.032] (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.032]    compiled for 1.20.3, module version = 1.0.16
[    65.032]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    65.032]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    65.032] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[    65.032] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
[    65.032] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.032]    compiled for 1.20.11, module version = 1.20.11
[    65.032]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    65.032]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1
[    65.032] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev"
[    65.032] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so
[    65.032] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.032]    compiled for 1.20.1, module version = 0.5.0
[    65.032]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    65.032]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    65.032] (II) LoadModule: "vesa"
[    65.032] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
[    65.033] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.033]    compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 2.4.0
[    65.033]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    65.033]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    65.033] (II) NOUVEAU driver Date:   Mon Jan 28 23:25:58 2019 -0500
[    65.033] (II) NOUVEAU driver for NVIDIA chipset families :
[    65.033]    RIVA TNT            (NV04)
[    65.033]    RIVA TNT2           (NV05)
[    65.033]    GeForce 256         (NV10)
[    65.033]    GeForce 2           (NV11, NV15)
[    65.033]    GeForce 4MX         (NV17, NV18)
[    65.033]    GeForce 3           (NV20)
[    65.033]    GeForce 4Ti         (NV25, NV28)
[    65.033]    GeForce FX          (NV3x)
[    65.033]    GeForce 6           (NV4x)
[    65.033]    GeForce 7           (G7x)
[    65.033]    GeForce 8           (G8x)
[    65.033]    GeForce 9           (G9x)
[    65.033]    GeForce GTX 2xx/3xx (GT2xx)
[    65.033]    GeForce GTX 4xx/5xx (GFxxx)
[    65.033]    GeForce GTX 6xx/7xx (GKxxx)
[    65.033]    GeForce GTX 9xx     (GMxxx)
[    65.033]    GeForce GTX 10xx    (GPxxx)
[    65.033] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
[    65.033] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev
[    65.033] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
[    65.150] (EE) [drm] Failed to open DRM device for pci:0000:01:00.0: -19
[    65.150] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[    65.150] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
[    65.150] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[    65.150] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw"
[    65.150] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
[    65.150] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so
[    65.150] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.150]    compiled for 1.20.11, module version = 0.0.2
[    65.150]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1
[    65.150] (**) FBDEV(1): claimed PCI slot 1@0:0:0
[    65.150] (II) FBDEV(1): using default device
[    65.150] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
[    65.150] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"
[    65.150] (II) FBDEV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
        "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
[    65.150] (==) FBDEV(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
[    65.150] (==) FBDEV(0): RGB weight 888
[    65.150] (==) FBDEV(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[    65.150] (==) FBDEV(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
[    65.150] (II) FBDEV(0): hardware: EFI VGA (video memory: 8640kB)
[    65.150] (II) FBDEV(0): checking modes against framebuffer device...
[    65.150] (II) FBDEV(0): checking modes against monitor...
[    65.150] (II) FBDEV(0): Virtual size is 1920x1080 (pitch 1920)
[    65.150] (**) FBDEV(0):  Built-in mode "current": 207.4 MHz, 85.3 kHz, 77.2 Hz
[    65.150] (II) FBDEV(0): Modeline "current"x0.0  207.38  1920 1952 2192 2432  1080 1084 1088 1104 -hsync -vsync -csync (85.3 kHz b)
[    65.150] (==) FBDEV(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[    65.150] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[    65.150] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[    65.150] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
[    65.151] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.151]    compiled for 1.20.11, module version = 1.0.0
[    65.151]    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[    65.151] (**) FBDEV(0): using shadow framebuffer
[    65.151] (II) Loading sub module "shadow"
[    65.151] (II) LoadModule: "shadow"
[    65.151] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libshadow.so
[    65.151] (II) Module shadow: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.151]    compiled for 1.20.11, module version = 1.1.0
[    65.151]    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[    65.151] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa"
[    65.151] (II) Unloading vesa
[    65.151] (II) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument (Screen blanking not supported by kernel - disabling)
[    65.152] (==) FBDEV(0): Backing store enabled
[    65.152] (==) FBDEV(0): DPMS enabled
[    65.152] (II) Initializing extension Generic Event Extension
[    65.152] (II) Initializing extension SHAPE
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SHM
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension XInputExtension
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension XTEST
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension BIG-REQUESTS
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension SYNC
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension XKEYBOARD
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension XC-MISC
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension SECURITY
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension XFIXES
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension RENDER
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension RANDR
[    65.153] (II) Initializing extension COMPOSITE
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension DAMAGE
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension RECORD
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension DPMS
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension Present
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension DRI3
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension X-Resource
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension XVideo
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension SELinux
[    65.154] (II) SELinux: Disabled on system
[    65.154] (II) Initializing extension GLX
[    65.154] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
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65.233] (II) IGLX: Loaded and initialized swrast
[    65.233] (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0
[    65.233] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
[    65.233] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-DGA
[    65.233] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-DRI
[    65.233] (II) Initializing extension DRI2
[    65.264] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event2)
[    65.264] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.264] (II) LoadModule: "libinput"
[    65.264] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/libinput_drv.so
[    65.266] (II) Module libinput: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.266]    compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 0.29.0
[    65.266]    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
[    65.266]    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 24.1
[    65.266] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Power Button'
[    65.266] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
[    65.266] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event2"
[    65.266] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.269] (II) event2  - Power Button: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.269] (II) event2  - Power Button: device is a keyboard
[    65.269] (II) event2  - Power Button: device removed
[    65.317] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input2/event2"
[    65.317] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
[    65.317] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.317] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.327] (II) event2  - Power Button: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.327] (II) event2  - Power Button: device is a keyboard
[    65.328] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event4)
[    65.328] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.328] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Video Bus'
[    65.328] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events
[    65.328] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event4"
[    65.328] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.328] (II) event4  - Video Bus: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.328] (II) event4  - Video Bus: device is a keyboard
[    65.328] (II) event4  - Video Bus: device removed
[    65.413] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/device:13/LNXVIDEO:01/input/input5/event4"
[    65.413] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
[    65.413] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.413] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.415] (II) event4  - Video Bus: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.415] (II) event4  - Video Bus: device is a keyboard
[    65.415] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event1)
[    65.415] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.415] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Power Button'
[    65.415] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
[    65.415] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
[    65.415] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.416] (II) event1  - Power Button: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.416] (II) event1  - Power Button: device is a keyboard
[    65.416] (II) event1  - Power Button: device removed
[    65.441] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input1/event1"
[    65.441] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8)
[    65.441] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.441] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.442] (II) event1  - Power Button: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.442] (II) event1  - Power Button: device is a keyboard
[    65.442] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event0)
[    65.442] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.442] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.442] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=3 (/dev/input/event12)
[    65.442] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.442] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.443] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=7 (/dev/input/event13)
[    65.443] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.443] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.443] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=8 (/dev/input/event14)
[    65.443] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.443] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.443] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=9 (/dev/input/event15)
[    65.443] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.443] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.444] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=10 (/dev/input/event16)
[    65.444] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.444] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.444] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=11 (/dev/input/event17)
[    65.444] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.444] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.444] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech M705 (/dev/input/event6)
[    65.444] (**) Logitech M705: Applying InputClass "libinput pointer catchall"
[    65.444] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Logitech M705'
[    65.444] (**) Logitech M705: always reports core events
[    65.444] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event6"
[    65.444] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.446] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: is tagged by udev as: Mouse
[    65.446] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: device set to 1000 DPI
[    65.446] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: device is a pointer
[    65.446] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: device removed
[    65.517] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0003/0003:046D:101B.0004/input/input23/event6"
[    65.517] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech M705" (type: MOUSE, id 9)
[    65.517] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none"
[    65.517] (**) Logitech M705: (accel) selected scheme none/0
[    65.517] (**) Logitech M705: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[    65.517] (**) Logitech M705: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
[    65.518] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: is tagged by udev as: Mouse
[    65.518] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: device set to 1000 DPI
[    65.518] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: device is a pointer
[    65.518] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech M705 (/dev/input/mouse1)
[    65.518] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.518] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.519] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech MK700 (/dev/input/event7)
[    65.519] (**) Logitech MK700: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.519] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Logitech MK700'
[    65.519] (**) Logitech MK700: always reports core events
[    65.519] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event7"
[    65.519] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.520] (II) event7  - Logitech MK700: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.520] (II) event7  - Logitech MK700: device is a keyboard
[    65.520] (II) event7  - Logitech MK700: device removed
[    65.545] (II) libinput: Logitech MK700: needs a virtual subdevice
[    65.545] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0003/0003:046D:2008.0005/input/input24/event7"
[    65.545] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech MK700" (type: MOUSE, id 10)
[    65.545] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none"
[    65.545] (**) Logitech MK700: (accel) selected scheme none/0
[    65.545] (**) Logitech MK700: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[    65.545] (**) Logitech MK700: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
[    65.546] (II) event7  - Logitech MK700: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.546] (II) event7  - Logitech MK700: device is a keyboard
[    65.546] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi (/dev/input/event11)
[    65.546] (**) HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.546] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi'
[    65.546] (**) HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi: always reports core events
[    65.546] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event11"
[    65.547] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.547] (II) event11 - HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.547] (II) event11 - HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi: device is a keyboard
[    65.547] (II) event11 - HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi: device removed
[    65.593] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-6/1-6:1.0/input/input28/event11"
[    65.593] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi" (type: KEYBOARD, id 11)
[    65.593] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.593] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.594] (II) event11 - HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.594] (II) event11 - HP Wide Vision HD Camera: HP Wi: device is a keyboard
[    65.594] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Mic (/dev/input/event18)
[    65.594] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.594] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.594] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Mic (/dev/input/event19)
[    65.594] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.594] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.594] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Headphone (/dev/input/event20)
[    65.594] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.594] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.595] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event3)
[    65.595] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.595] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
[    65.595] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
[    65.595] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event3"
[    65.595] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.595] (II) event3  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.595] (II) event3  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device is a keyboard
[    65.595] (II) event3  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device removed
[    65.609] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input3/event3"
[    65.609] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD, id 12)
[    65.609] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.609] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.609] (II) event3  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.610] (II) event3  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device is a keyboard
[    65.610] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event5)
[    65.610] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "libinput touchpad catchall"
[    65.610] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
[    65.610] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
[    65.610] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event5"
[    65.610] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.611] (II) event5  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: is tagged by udev as: Touchpad
[    65.611] (II) event5  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device is a touchpad
[    65.611] (II) event5  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device removed
[    65.641] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input6/event5"
[    65.641] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 13)
[    65.641] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none"
[    65.641] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) selected scheme none/0
[    65.641] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[    65.641] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
[    65.642] (II) event5  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: is tagged by udev as: Touchpad
[    65.642] (II) event5  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device is a touchpad
[    65.642] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
[    65.642] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.642] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.643] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ST LIS3LV02DL Accelerometer (/dev/input/event9)
[    65.643] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.643] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.643] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ST LIS3LV02DL Accelerometer (/dev/input/js0)
[    65.643] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    65.643] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    65.644] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HP Wireless hotkeys (/dev/input/event8)
[    65.644] (**) HP Wireless hotkeys: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.644] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'HP Wireless hotkeys'
[    65.644] (**) HP Wireless hotkeys: always reports core events
[    65.644] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event8"
[    65.644] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.645] (II) event8  - HP Wireless hotkeys: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.645] (II) event8  - HP Wireless hotkeys: device is a keyboard
[    65.645] (II) event8  - HP Wireless hotkeys: device removed
[    65.673] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/virtual/input/input25/event8"
[    65.673] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "HP Wireless hotkeys" (type: KEYBOARD, id 14)
[    65.673] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.673] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.673] (II) event8  - HP Wireless hotkeys: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    65.673] (II) event8  - HP Wireless hotkeys: device is a keyboard
[    65.674] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HP WMI hotkeys (/dev/input/event10)
[    65.674] (**) HP WMI hotkeys: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.674] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'HP WMI hotkeys'
[    65.674] (**) HP WMI hotkeys: always reports core events
[    65.674] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event10"
[    65.674] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    65.674] (II) event10 - HP WMI hotkeys: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard Switch
[    65.674] (II) event10 - HP WMI hotkeys: device is a keyboard
[    65.674] (II) event10 - HP WMI hotkeys: device removed
[    65.693] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/virtual/input/input27/event10"
[    65.693] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "HP WMI hotkeys" (type: KEYBOARD, id 15)
[    65.693] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.693] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.693] (II) event10 - HP WMI hotkeys: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard Switch
[    65.693] (II) event10 - HP WMI hotkeys: device is a keyboard
[    65.696] (**) Logitech MK700: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    65.696] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Logitech MK700'
[    65.696] (**) Logitech MK700: always reports core events
[    65.696] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event7"
[    65.696] (**) Option "_source" "_driver/libinput"
[    65.696] (II) libinput: Logitech MK700: is a virtual subdevice
[    65.696] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0003/0003:046D:2008.0005/input/input24/event7"
[    65.696] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech MK700" (type: KEYBOARD, id 16)
[    65.696] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    65.696] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi"
[    65.702] (EE) Failed to open authorization file "/var/run/sddm/{ea6b61dc-3c3e-4caa-b0af-5e67fe9124fe}": No such file or directory
[   839.948] (II) event6  - Logitech M705: Enabling spurious button debouncing, see https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.15.5/button-debouncing.html for details

Toivottavasti saat selvää.

nm

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[    65.150] (EE) [drm] Failed to open DRM device for pci:0000:01:00.0: -19
[    65.150] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory

DRM-laitteen puuttuminen viittaa siihen, ettei kernel modesetting ole käytössä. Miltä kernelin komentorivi näyttää:

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cat /proc/cmdline
Jos komentorivillä on parametri nomodeset, järjestelmäsi on edelleen käynnistynyt palautustilaan. Mikäli normaalia käynnistysvaihtoehtoa ei enää ole, tai se ei toimi, yksi vaihtoehto olisi poistaa Grub Customizerin avulla tuo nomodeset-parametri palautustilan kohdalta. Tässä täytyy kuitenkin olla tarkkana, ettet poista mitään muuta oleellista.

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Sinä näkyi "nomodeset".
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cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.11.0-37-generic root=UUID=8d0e678f-6b28-4ff7-acd8-ce4a6a600f2c ro recovery nomodeset dis_ucode_ldr
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mrl586

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Poista nomodeset-parametri ja yritä uudelleen.

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Taitaa olla aika poistaa tämä keskustelunaihe. Käytin Grub-customizeria ja löysin jälleen kernel -38:n. Siirsin sen ylimmäksi ja nyt kone käynnistyy ja molemmat näytöt toimivat. Ajoin vielä sudona komennon
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cat /proc/cmdline eikä "nomodeset" sanaa enää näkynyt.
Suuret kiitokset avusta!. Merkitsen tämän aiheen ratkaistuksi.

ilkant

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Älkää poistako keskustelua. Siitä voi olla hyötyä jollekin toiselle ihmiselle. Nimittäin oppia Linux-järjestelmää, vaikka ei ongelmia olisi!